Ivory, you are correct. Thank you for your perspective and for reminding us that we should focus more on who is on the throne in heaven than who is on the throne in Washington, D.C. God is sovereign.

I don't know what God you worship but I do not see my God being proud of the man that America has chosen to lead this nation and the free world.

We are flukes of the universe, there is no god the sooner you realize that the better. Religion is the root of all the worlds problems not it's solution.

You'll miss a lot of the meaning of the Bible by cherry-picking passages out of it to prove a point, especially a political one. That passage is directed at believers regarding their own behavior toward authority and a reference to God's sovereignty.

But make no mistake that this country is headed off a steep cliff and it probably wouldn't have mattered who won but four more years of Obama is an utter disaster.

Dude

The animalistic GREED of man has been the root of all conflict - religions just point it out.

I'm better off. My retirement dropped 50% when W was in office. It's back to 100% of its pre-republican admin value under Obama. The Dow is at 13000+ and it was almost half that 4 years ago. We are all better off. It's not how I feel... It's what I have in my bank account. Unemployment is going down. The housing market is rebounding. My industry is booming with new work. I fail to see how I'm worse off... What examples do you have to prove your point.

@ Greg, no America doesn't but it also didn't think Romney was the right guy... Why replace mediocrity with mediocrity..
At the end of the day, this became about red and blue, not who is the best - we need real change, and unfortunately the Republican party was afraid of it and played it safe..
I firmly believe if Ron Paul was running against obama, he would have won -.

Hello,

I am better off than I was 4 yrs ago as well. Alot of people are better off, but Republicans want people to believe things are not getting better even though the numbers show otherwise.

This is the reason why you may feel so depressed. It hurts alot when people lie to you. When the deception is uncovered you feel so used, hurt and really abused.

I do not say this to dig needles, what I've said is a fact.

The polls have been telling everyone that Obama was going to win. Websites like Nate Silvers 538.com had the information there for months, but Republicans kept saying the polls were skewed, the dems are lying and so forth. In the end, the truth was what it was. I mean for god sakes the in the Republican Primaries all running against Romney told you he was a liar as well.

When people become so entrenched in onesided views, the reality can hit very hard when the truth comes to light.

Everyone who thought Romney had this in the bag should think really hard about a few things.

1. How is it that Republican Talk Radio, Fox News and Numerous Papers told you that Romeny was going to win by landslide.
2. Where did the talking heads get their info. (sounds like the made stuff up)
3. Why is it that there was so much racist undertone to so much of the Republican rhetoric?

Wake up. Stop listening to nonsense. Numbers don't lie. People Do......

Most Americans were to smart not to listen to garbage.

GregRodgers - What TalkRadio, newspapers and who on Fox News ever said this was going to be a landslide? I never heard that once. I listen to Boortz, Hannity, ocassionally Rush now that we're stuck with him in ATL, Herman Cain, Erick Erickson, etc...and not one of them ever said it wa sa landslide. In fact, they all said that it was going to be a very tough, very tight race.
Also never heard one racist undertone...except from the Dems.

Anastasia...

Here you go:

Rush Limbaugh yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Hr7bZEeVnqo

Dick Morris on Fox on O'Reilly:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1937585022001/dick-morris-romney-will-win-in-a-landsl ide/

Wrong and liars....Morris earlier said he knew this because of his internal polls. He goes on in the video by explaining that the polls are skewed and wrong such as 538.com per Dick Morris

They wrongly created false hope when legit websites like 538.Com had it right for months, but because Nate Silver is a Democrat. Nate was right Dick Morris dead wrong.

Thank you for sharing examples, GregRodgers. I appreciate the follow-through. But those are just TWO people. When you said "Republican Talk Radio, Fox News and Numerous papers", you were insinuating that this was a widely held belief, which is just not true.

Anastasia...

I could have gone on from the Tucker Carlsons, to the Charles Krauthammer in print...but hey...I gave you examples.

And yes...it is true!

95.5 this morning was back to calling Obama a socialist....good gravy!

The DOW isnt a very good argument. Look at the history of the DOW and you'll see that it's been increasing for decades. Stimulus and QE have given people a false sense of economic growth.
I dont know if you've noticed but prices or going up and the cost of living is increasing. Gas is more expensive. Food packages are getting smaller, and raw materials or raising business expenses. It's a good thing we're such good friends with China or things would be much more expensive. The extra cash in you bank account doesn't mean much when it buys less.
Get ready for another housing bubble because we apparently didn't learn anything. Over and over we will hear about how the Hurricane is going to boost the economy and create jobs. Based on that logic, burning down houses would be the key to economic prosperity.
It is absolutely impossible for congress to balance the budget. It's just not going to happen. Even if they shutdown every department they still wouldn't be able to balance it. Mandatory spending like Social Security, Pensions, and Medicare cost way more than the government's intake. Raising taxes won't increase in government in take either. Clinton did it and the revenue didn't change. The loss in production causes the tax increase to balance out. AND yes Clinton balanced the budget but they took money right out of the social security saving account.
Greece is our future. Austerity measures will eventually have to kick in and the people will riot.

Scottie Q has not been to a gas pump or a grocery store in 4 years perhaps.... Prices are out of sight my friend. But glad you are doing "well."

I'm glad the smart people live in DeKalb, and yes I am better off, thank you for caring.

. Could someone please tell our illustrious leader thirteen colonies not a colony declared independence and it was two hundred thirty six years not two hundred.

and the Republicans only give a crap about saving their wealthy crooners!

What tonight means is: AMERICA CAN NOT BE 'BOUGHT' BY SELF-SERVING ULTRA-RICH BILLIONAIRES AND CORPORATIONS THAT HAVE MANIPULATED THEIR OWN TAX LAWS BY BUYING REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS. THE FACT THAT YOU MENTION SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DO SHOWS YOU DON'T GO ANY FURTHER WITH WHO YOU VOTE FOR THAN LISTENING TO THOSE LIES ON FOX NEWS. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IN DISRESPECT TO YOU, I'M SAYING YOU WILL GO FAR IN FINDING ANSWERS TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS BY REALLY, REALLY DIGGING THROUGH THE MUCK MEANT TO MISLEAD YOU AS TO THE TRUE AGENDA OF THE ULTRA-MEGA RICH IN THIS ELECTION. THEY HATED OBAMA AND WOULD GO TO ANY LENGTH TO DEFEAT HIM RATHER THAN PAY A FAIR SHARE (AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY THAT'S NOT A BILLIONAIRE). WHILE THEY WERE BUSY TRYING TO 'STIR THE POT' BY THROWING OUT TRASH LIKE PHOTO-SHOPPED (AND DEBUNKED YEARS-AGO) PICTURES THAT TRY TO MAKE YOU THINK THE OBAMA'S PLEDGE ALLEGENCE WITH THE WRONG HAND OR SOME SUCH GARBAGE OR 'HE WASN'T REALLY BORN HERE', OR HE SUPPORTS ISLAMIC MUSLIM TERRORISTS (HEY, MR. PRESIDENT, YOU REALLY THREW EVERYBODY OFF GETTING BIN LADEN!!). IF YOU WANT TO COMPARE LIES, TRY GOOD CREDIBLE FACT CHECKING SITES LIKE POLIFACT OR FACTCHECK OR SNOPES AND YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE LIES ARE! GOD ONLY KNOWS WHERE THIS COUNTRY WOULD BE TODAY WITHOUT HIM KEEPING US FROM GOING AN ECOMOMIC CLIFF IMMEDIATELY AFTER HE TOOK OFFICE. MY LIST GOES ON AND ON. THE PROBLEM WITH THIS COUNTRY ISN'T THE BLOODSUCKERS AT THE 'BOTTOM', IT IS THE BLOODSUCKERS AT THE TOP!

BY THE WAY, JUST IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING. I'M FEMALE, WHITE, 62 YEARS OLD, AND BEFORE I RETIRED WAS SELF-EMPLOYED AND MADE A SIX FIGURE INCOME MY ENTIRE WORK LIFE, AND I USED TO BE A REPUBLICAN. AGAIN, I'M NOT MEANING ANY DISRESPECT TO YOU. JUST DO SOME UN-BIASED RESEARCH.

Well Cheryl,
do you know Fox News as you speak of lies leans toward Conservative Republicans and CNN is Democrat bound!

George Soros, Cheryl?

Sore loser!

ObamaMyGoodness!

I agree. Obama is a liar and a thief. He's been associated with the mafia. He's been congratulated on his win by China. He's a communist. We are a banana republic now. His goal is to bankrupt the U.S. We are all slaves now. He hates whites. Spread the wealth to the people that don't want to work. May as well leave the U.S. Another four years? We are going over the fiscal cliff. The people that voted for Obama are ignorant.

Bye bye Ms. American pie....

I agree totally! Scandals and cover ups and the media was PAID to love him. Most people work so hard to make ends meet they only saw late news and did not watch Fox News who tell the truth! Our liberty is gone!

I'm going to the grocery store today. Do I need to pick up a big supply of tin foil?

Is Freedom taking away a womens right to decide what goes on with their healthcare?

Seems to me that Republicans wanted to take that liberty away. Thats not Freedom...

sorry...you lose

@ Leah Salby...

The reason your party keeps losing is do to the lunacy in you party.

That is a parsed statement from Mike Schmidt...former rep for John McCain.

Its apparent that you are a party loon with the stuff you speak, because none of it is true. But if your party continues to turn out loonies, the end result will continue to be the same.

Sane Republicans....stop the crazy in your party and maybe things will change for your party.

Steve R., I'm very much with you on this as well as with so many others who stand FOR America! The only thing I can possibly add is that the statement 'America’s chickens have come home to roost' has been has been so grossly been miscredited to Wright & is out & out plagiarism of a statement made by Malcom X in the 60's regarding the JKF assassination, which the media of course never bothered to correct!
For those who don't know who Malcom X was or the strong influence he carried(s) in Chicago (and yes, Wright was a follower), here's a link to get you started.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/people/a/Malcolm-X.htm
My point is: before all the gloating & name-calling starts, people need to do some researching on their own. Stop watching tv, read, & THINK!

@Steve R.
Somtimes hyperbole goes a little too far and becomes extremism and that is why Republican lost.Get a grip on yourself. .

OK ….

Let’s tax (bleed) the wealthy and when they drop down to OUR level, who are we going to feed off next?

Leah Salby, I sure hope you get even more involved in Republican politics. You would make a great county, state or even national chairman. You and Reince Priebus are two peas in a pod.

Wow! Somebody made a picture. So what? Means nothing.

For those who are concerned about the debt and our increasing rush toward the failure of Europe, finishing the job is exactly what we Do NOT want Obama to do.

It doesn't matter now. We're stuck with him. Obama believes that those that work don't do enough for those that do not. He never will.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.

and so was every Republican trashbag that was elected!

America died the day the good of the party replaced the will of the people, so it's been dead a long time..

John, I could not agree with you more! Banana Republic.

Leah, what is it with you and the Banana Republic? Sounds a little racist to me.

Sad isn't it, but all the Dems do is trash Repubs, while never addressing the facts of how terrible a president Obama has been, how he is such a small person he still is blaming Bush. They also parrot the bs they've been fed about the repubs being all rich billionaires. How stupid and ignorant. The repubs just want everyone to have a chance at a good economy. They get so sidetracked by all this social issue crap. Sad for everyone, especially the dems as they are mostly poor and stupid and will only get poorer and stupider for another 4 years.

Edi, I'm sure all the wealthy Democrats resent what you just said. So do the poor ones. I know that there are poor Republicans as well, they are just a little more closed-minded. And boring. Conservative equals boring. Liberal equals more fun. And I don't think "stupider" is a real word. Be careful before you call somebody stupid.

Don't be so sure. At the rate O gives handouts, the US will be going over the cliff soon!

Matthews has been a bit unhinged in general lately. So has O'Reily for that matter. This race has left the entire punditocracy noticeably unglued.

Scotty Q-- your post is a mere microcosm of the problem we have with an electorate that does not understand the issues.

8% unemployment does NOT mean that 92% of us are employed. That is a LOL statement.

The labor participation rates are at 31 year lows. The unemployment rate ignores someone who stopped looking for work--he/she is unemployed, but they are not counted as unemployed.

The unemployment rate does not reflect someone who had a 40 hour a week job and now is working 28 hours a week and can not find a full time job. He/she is counted as employed. Would you feel employed if you income is down by 50% and you cannot find a full time job?

Congratulations of your success, Scotty Q. Nice to see that as long as you are doing well, you do not care about knowing the facts.

Scotty Q; Look at the Dow this morning. It's crashing! Good luck on your retirement.

The New York Stock Exchange is open from Monday through Friday 9:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. It's 9:00am - what are you talking about?

Exactly...I said the same thing at the top of this page.

Republicans in office have been lying to Republican voters for a long time.

They have alot of explaining to do to their audience as folks wake up today asking how could this have happened when we have been led to believe Romney had this in the bag?

Just yesterday Rush said Romney would win in landslide with 340 electoral votes. This may have given people hope...but as you see...it is what it is...an out and out lie.

Romney liar, Rush liar, Fox News...liars.

This should give Republican voters great pause.

I really mean this....

To Phil..

Sure we all know what 8% unemployment means. We also are smart enough to know that it took 8 yrs to kill this country and that it would not take 4yrs to fix it.

The problem with the electorate or people in general is that we live in a NOW society. If you cannot give me what I want NOW....I will just take my marbles somewhere else to play.

Obama won because the electorate is actually alot smarter now than it was 12 yrs ago. I really believe that this began to change after we found we were lied to about WMD's and then fact checkers got websites online.

People are just smarter nowadays than in the past.

Its just that simple.

Yea, look at the Dow... the day after it is dropping fast.

You just voted yourself a major tax increase little fella! Are you well? btw, how's the dow? LOL!

Steve....I am an indy voter and voted for Obama. As I live in Georgia, a state that voted for Romney to win....I can tell you...

If I can live with you....I am sure that you can live with folks that voted for Obama.

We can disagree...but in the end we are all Americans. (Insert Handshake here)

Steve, Israel will defend itself with or without Obama. He's an anti semite anyway. I have no doubt Israel is prepping their nukes. The clock is ticking now.

1. Obama has done more for Israel than any president in the last 50 years, Israelis including President Peres have acknowedged this. Even the most popular paper in Israel Ha'aretz endorsed him. So the anti-semite thing is total garbage.
2. If Israel decides to bomb Iran Obama will stand with them.
3. Steve - you lose all credibility on the issue if you can't spell Israel..

Mike...this is so true!

He will not support Israel. BB hates him.

Brainwashed parrot. The 1% are BILLIONAIRES. They are the ones Obama kisses butt to. They can leave this country in a heartbeat, they have houses all over the world in far higher standard of living countries than the USA. It's the regular "rich," you know, the people making a halfway decent living that the Dems think they can milk for their goodies. The dems think they can just vote themselves freebies. What a sad bunch of delusional fools. Cock a doodle do. You've been had. Wait and see how much money you get, and what crap healthcare you'll have. The rich can fly elsewhere for healthcare, you're gonna be stuck waiting in line with a hundred other grifters. The post office is a joke and it's BROKE. UPS isn't broke is it? FEDEX isn't broke is it? Must be that horrid public education system, people are so so dumb it's amazing.

Obviously Lee, you don't have any black friends. You just made that up. Blacks may be proud of Obama, but they certainly don't vote for "black only" candidates. If you don't believe me, how many blacks do you see voting for Allen West,Herman Cain. How many supported Condolezza Rice and Clarence Thomas? However, there is overwhelming black support for Colin Powell. See, that is just something Republicans tell themselves so that they don't have to face the fact that they only look out for the rich, powerful and business. And black people look out for their interests, as well. Tell me how many black people do you know on welfare? But I bet you've met a few at your job. Repubs don't even have respect for our elderly and veterans or he would've never picked Paul "voucher" Ryan for vice president.

I'm wondering if the 'job creators' will be increasing prices to get back the money they wasted on robme?

I am heavily invested in the stock market. I don't buy or sell my stocks based on the election. Do you think someone who is an industry leader really does that? We research into the individual investments we make and make decisions based on that.

Any market changes you see are the result of Joe The Plumber on E-Trade, not business builders and job creators.

@Trouble Maker
Investors absolutely take into account the financial climate when making decisions and if you're not you are clueless. A climate where wealth creation is punished is not where you want to have your money.

"Will be interesting to watch the stock market today"
The stock market will go up. Since 1900, the average monthly return on the stock market has been 0.73% under Democrat presidents, almost double the 0.38% under Republicans.

Me? I'm looking forward to Obama closing out his next 4 years with a 4-5% unemployment, the Dow hitting $17,000, my house worth more than I paid (finally broke even this year), and a surplus instead of a deficit.

Wait and see - you can start this morning when the market opens... :)

Scotty I sure hope you are right, but the laws of math and economics will have to be changed for all that to happen. It's a pyramid scheme, you can't mandate health coverage rules, increase regulation, tax achievement, and grow the economy enough to pay for the huge increases in government handouts that have occurred over the last 4 years, heck over the last 30 years (yes some Republicans are guilty too)

Without a doubt...any change that may occur in the markets with rebound and get stronger.

No matter what....rich folks love money and will always love getting more. Just watch...

No so called Job Creator..is going to take a hit to his/her pocket for long.

@GregRodgers: "No matter what....rich folks love money and will always love getting more. Just watch.."

Nice to see your true motivation (wealth envy) come out here. And I was shot down in previous weeks on here for suggesting that wealth envy was clearly a pillar of the Obama campaign.

And by the way, the upper middle class and on up will keep doing the things that got them there, and the moocher class will keep doing the things that got them there and the democrats will continue pandering to them.

Elizabeth PowWow Warren? What a joke. Damn, I hope they are making progress with artificial intelligence because humans are so easily brainwashed many are no longer capable of the most basic common sense.

You're darn right I vote with my pocketbook. Should I vote what's best for your pocketbook? The concept of America as a bastion of individual liberty is slowly dying, now less than 50% of voters feel this way as evidenced yesterday. There is now a majority of takers and a minority of makers and that is unsustainable.

Dacula Dude...

No...there is a majority (99%) who work day to day and are trying to get by the best they can. The minority (1%) just tried to buy an election to keep us as the drones they think we are....and the drones just fought and won.

@GregRodgers
More of the same, yes the 1% don't work, you've got it figured out. By the way, the guy at the top at my company who makes $1M + a year, his car is ALWAYS one of the last to leave the parking lot. By hey don't let that ruin your fantasy that the rich are "lucky" and don't have to work.

Forward towards $20 TRILLION in debt? Maybe we can hit $25 TRILLION if we really try.

Or we can return to a sane revenue policy and cut back to a realistic level of military expenditure.
Then you won't have the temporary debt to whine about.

Eddie we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. We can tax the rich into oblivion and it won't make a dent.

When the war in Afganastan ends...and we are not spending on wars anymore....there will be a significant drop in spending. With that war stopping...the downward trend in spending will continue.

These are the facts....

i have to agree with your comment--i have read all of the above and respect all feelings-but really!!!! obama is just a mere man--i dont worship him--he cant stop my dreams and ideas from coming to fruition--it's like that carrie underwood song"jesus take the wheel" go look outside and see the sun shining -pick up a paint brush and paint your feelings on canvass--read a good book--hang out with your kids--there is nothing to worry about with this man in office--its a choice you make everyday to enjoy your life and all the great family and friends surrounding you--live your life without obama or any other politician as your center--god is your center or what ever higher power you may believe in not a mere man!!!!!!!!

@BStein
You are correct but from these comments someone hasn't got the message yet.Old outdated beliefs die hard.

Since when does a majority make something right? The majority of people on this planet think they are going to live forever. People are easily manipulated. Anyone that would vote Obama into office once is stupid, anyone that voted for him twice is just dead in the head.

The good thing is that Speaker boehner has the opportunity to keep his Party from repeating that mistake!

All true!
But I bet rather than accept the reality on the ground, the republiklan party will double down on right-wing extremism with a confused notion that they weren't 'conserrrrrrrrvative' enough.

Great and true observations, E Plu!

@E Pluribus Unum
A good analysis!

Hopefully we can get back to national respectibility here in GA with the likes of Kasim Reed and Hank Johnson and the venerable John Lewis, it makes me sad that in this state people like Paul Broun, Tom Price and Phil Gingrey can get elected without so much as a hope for Dems. These men have proven they're nothing but religious zealots and onstructionists.

If you think that there are not "2 Georgia's" you have obviously never been south of Macon!

He also said "I believe in the American people", I no longer do. The average American, after a k-12 government education has bought into the idea that they have a right to the pocketbooks of the achievers, the evil 1%. Now that we've reached that tipping point, we'll never go back.

Dacula Dude..

What you've said....very sad.

I honestly feel bad for you. Too much Fox Koolaid in your veins. I am achiever and I do not think like you. Lots of the 1% actually agree with Obama. Warren Buffet, Oprah Winfrey come to mind.

Sad...when people don't get it. Going back to a tax rate from 1996 is not the end of the world. The 1% paid it before and still made lots of money. They will do it again.

They will be a-ok.

Like I said before we cannot tax our way out of the deficit and debt situation.

It's not Fox coolaid, its reality.

I can't watch Fox but heard about that scene. Pure political theatre. They're all probably privately celebrating the President's win because they know their jobs are secure for another 4 years - ensures their inventory of right wing material :)

The clip is on the front page of HP.

The one good thing about this six billion dollars election was the Plutocrats with their super PACS acted as a mild economic stimulus as they spent their money trying to buy this election.

Lol, you're so delusional. Obama gave away thousands of cell phones so he could send his "vote for me" messages. He has put millions on food stamps and disability. Those people are voting for GREED not HOPE. Forward? Yea, FORWARD off a CLIFF! The money train is coming into the station. The poor are poorer now than ever, they just get a few pathetic handouts. Wealthy people can afford to leave this sinking ship. How dumb can you possibly be? You think money grows on trees? Ha. The rich will go to greener pastures, you're stuck holding a big pile of poo. Hey, watch out going over that old bridge sucker.

Edi, the $$ I was talking about was the infusion of millions of dollars in campaign donations. I have no problem with the rich as long as they didn't become so through ill-gotten gains and law breaking. The cell phone program was started by GWB in 2008, not by Obama. Another right-wing myth. Wow, I have seen some vicious comments on these threads, but I believe you win first place.

Haha. Another public educated moron. Obama got so many youth votes because his "ground game" was giving out free pizza and bus party rides to take college kids to vote. Chicago style vote buying. I used to vote dem, but realized what a bunch of idiots most of them are. The academic version is almost as dumb as the illiterate ones.

LOL! Every dem vote was bought & paid for by none other than our own little Santa Claus!

Try $3,500 per family!!!

I was just wondering about those fools Isley.....so quiet from the right wing nut jobs.....

I agree with all but the last two words. Romney and his wife both said he is finished with politics if he loses - and that's as it should be. If Hilary doesn't want to run in 2016, Michele Obama would be great, from FLOTUS to POTUS. I don't think she will but there are lots of good Democrats: Deval Patrick, Corey Booker, Martin O'Malley, Sherrod Brown, Kirsten Gillibrand, et al. With campaign finance reform, both parties would have a better pool of candidates. Get the megabucks out of the system, overturn the Citizens United ruling.

Isley, I wonder where all those people are too. Also, looking at the place in Boston where the Romney supporters were and in Chicago where Obama supporters were, one thing struck me. I don't think I saw one black in Boston, or at least they didn't show any. Obama had people of every color.

Edi, you are a racist if you voted for Obama?

They're in shock. Covered up with blankets in fetal position. Big talk that doesn't come to fruition is very emotionally draining. Some of them are probably reading, just not writing.

Card denied. Shred card asap!

Well, if you don't have a job, you are lucky to be able to afford health insurance. And if your premiums have skyrocketed, blame the insurance companies. The new healthcare bill, which really hasn't even taken full effect yet, is supposed to put a cap on how much your insurance can go up. I have talked to people who are employed (yes, I am unemployed) and they all say their premiums have gone up just a minimum. I just looked at insurance rates for me (even though I can't afford anything) and they are the same as they were last year. I think that all of the people who are screaming that their premiums have skyrocketed are exaggerating. Or else you really need to have a talk with your employer.

Leah Salby...

I am sorry that you do not have a job, and I do hope you have one soon.

However, your healthcare has not skyrocketted because of Obama.

This is when education comes in....see most of Obamacare has not even kicked in yet and will not until 2014. The only things that have kicked in are kids can stay on their parents healthcare until their 26, You cannot be denied for pre-existing conditions and the donut hole in Medicare has been closed.

If your premiums are higher, blame the greedy healthcare payers (Republicans) who pass along a variety of increases to all of us that cause our premiums to go up every year just to pay their shareholders.

So in conclusion...not sure who you have been listening too...(Fox and Rush) but what you have said about healthcare...is simply not true.

Untruths....seems to be the mantra for Republicans this go round in the election cycle.

Excuse me, but how much in debt is our country now? In the trillions since he took office? How many golf trips and family trips has he made all over the world on our tax dollars? I hope you have no children because they will be left making up for all that. Don't blame Bush either. It never got better on "hope and change." He bailed out car companies that are not making money and spent billions on solar energy companies that went belly up. Guess who is paying for that? The U.S. tax citizen. Solyndra, did you read about that huge loss? Come on!

Leah....

You are truly uninformed.

For starters...the car companies are experiencing record profits and growth. So much growth that YES...Chrysler is going to open a new facility to build cars in China. No jobs are not moving to china...its kinda like Kia opening a plant in western GA. Most of the TARP money given to the car companies has been paid back.

Our deficit is what it is mainly due to the wars, which have not fully ended. When we pull out next year spending will go down. Solyndra went belly up and lost money. You are right about that...

As for golf....jeez I seem to recall Bush and Clinton golfing alot. So what is Obama not supposed to have had down time...And he did not play golf all over the world. You are confusing Obama with Tiger Woods....

Get real....

GregRogers,
I own my own business with 2 partners I pay more than my mortgage on insurance premiums. I blame the insurance company as well as Obama. Obamacare is death care HMO type insurance. May as well go live in Canada!

Thanks about finding a job. I am now day trading and shorting this stock market is making me a bundle today thank you very much. The Dow is now down 355 points. Companies live off the stock market. Free enterprise. Have you seen "Atlas Shrugged"? You need to. Part 2 may still be out in theaters or have you read the book. Free thinkers get zonked and everyone else is in the streets jobless or a slave. Government takes patents over and on and on. That is where we are headed now. For, as Obama said; "that is not your business.." No, he claims the gov't gave the business owner his job. LOL!

No, he's just an incompetent man who is only good at being a puppet, who lies and makes false promises to greedy people too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves. This country is screwed. Oh well, it's infrastructure is falling apart, the people are poorly educated, it's so far in debt the greedy poor will end up far poorer and stupider. At least we had a nice run.

Again...Leah...Obamacare is currently not active. I work in healthcare...its not in effect yet. It is not an HMO....please read up on it...stop saying what it is not.

GregRogers, it's a known fact that Obama has spent more money than any other president ever on vacations and travel including golf. Come on! Get real. He's some kind of rock star! He smokes cigarettes and wants the cartel to come his way because he still does cocaine just like he did in his college days.

"He's some kind of rock star! He smokes cigarettes and wants the cartel to come his way because he still does cocaine just like he did in his college days."....

LOONIE ALERT....LOONIE ALERT!!

Yep...Dow Jones down to 12,942 but up from a low of 6,800 when Obama took office...

Such a sad day in the country....

Show us your "facts" Leah. Prove that Obama has spent more time and money on his vacations. I can save you the time and tell you you're wrong. He has had less vacation time then Bush. And he has spent less than the previous administration. Darn facts getting in the way of your illogical argument.

Oh my! DOW down 298 pts! Hurry...run for cover! People like you will never make $$$. The market is reacting to Europe and the "fiscal cliff" not an Obama victory as they had already predicted it (any person with any sense would have seen it coming!). Oh that's right...the POLLS were wrong! LOL

Parasites...you mean the 1%ers now out number workers...the real producers.

I did not hear that....Hmmmm?

Does this mean the 'producers' have to get busy and start 'producing' rather than hope for permanent capital gains tax cuts and a life of lethargy?

Todd, hold on to all of your holdings in your 401k. See where you are in a year, LMAO! It's Obama, it's the fiscal cliff, it's the rising of taxation. It's all under Obama. How are your investments doing today? Go ahead and hold. LOL!

That's what I am talking about, LOL! Buy gold! LOL!

Half a session does not a market make. Over the last four years the dow has gone up by almost 6,000 points...If you're gloating this morning

A. you're an idiot
B. you're wasting your time.

BSTEIN...exactly...

But you cannot argue with Loonie... facts mean nothing to those who believe nonsense and hold on to the the straight jacket and live in padded rooms......

I agree completely Eddie. Could not have said it better myself! Thank you. People will leave the country in droves if they can. Yes, you will be lucky to see a nurse or back office medical assistant. Obama is Chicago style gangster and a liar!

Since all you seem to be able to do is make stuff up and parrot other's falsehoods, please don't let the door hit you on the 'way out of the Country'.

Re: "...diving the country head first into bankruptcy just to "get revenge" on those who dared to work hard and save is pure idiocy."

The irony here is that those who claim to care about deficits voted twice for the guys who created them (i.e., George Bush and Dick "deficits don't matter" Cheney). Then, yesterday, they voted for a guy whose promises would have added at least another $9 trillion to our national debt. ($1 trillion to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, $5 trillion to reduce Bush's tax rates by another 20 percent, $2 trillion to increase defense spending, $1 trillion additional Medicare spending caused by repealing ObamaCare.)

I'm sorry, but I can't take seriously anybody who voted for Bush and Romney while claiming to care about balancing our budget. Recall that Clinton didn't balance the budget by cutting taxes and spending. To the contrary, he raised taxes and spending grew during his entire tenure. He balanced the budget by putting more Americans to work, growing the middle class, and growing the economy.

Eddi, I take offense to your statement assuming those who voted for Obama did so out of selfishness & spite. I voted after gathering FACTS through my OWN research & study & not based on anything Fox News said or any other person. I had an issue with Romney not being able to address women receiving equal pay; had an issue with Romney wanting the Govt to tell a woman what she can do with her body; had an issue with Romney flip flopping and not really taking a real stance on anything; had an issue because Romney did not fully disclose what he planned to do; had an issue with Romney proudly down talking the 47%...I watched each debate & listened intently to what both parties had to say about everything...

Obama has done pretty darn good running things - but it does take everyone working together and not bickering back and forth...Regardless of who won, someone was bound to not be happy...The election is over...concentrate now on who you will vote for in 2 years...the media is predicting in 2016 more states will become swing states...thus making it harder and harder for candidates to just automatically win a state...And Texas was one of the states they named...

And please don't bother to reply because I have said all I have to say and am now done with it all...

Thanks!

If you're wrong will you even know? And if you honestly attempt to calculate the correct answer, will you admit you're wrong? And if you're right, but the debt is lower, was it worth it?

Yep Leah...so lazy he graduated at the top of his class, became an attorney, led the Harvard Review, Was a Senator...now President Twice...

Calling him lazy....wow...

Just as loonie as John Sununnu...

Wait John is that you!!

Romney said he wouldn't waste time blaming the previous administration, he'd get to work. AMAZINGLY, the liberals are still blaming Bush! Being jealous of the rich won't make you rich, eva! The bankers have done well under Obama. Remember the huge bonuses? His bailout paid for those. lol Libs are soooo gullible. They are blinded by ideality to reality. I'm sad for today's youth. They are screwed. The older people at least got to enjoy freedom and prosperity while it lasted.

That is a good question....LOL!!!

Who cares?

Jeff's comment partially illustrates why Republicans had a bad night.

Who was born in Kenya? I'm confused by your comment.

How's your 401K working for you today. Market sell-off to get ahead of the new Obama tax increases in Capital Gains. Dow is down over 300 points.

Glad you're seeing people get better jobs, certainly not happening in my neighborhood.

And I sure haven't seen any recovery in the housing market here. The value of mine is still down almost 50% and no chance of selling even at that price with dozens of foreclosures up and down the street.

BTW, I don't listen to any of the programs you describe. My experience is real, not what some bubble head is telling me.

Good luck with that.

Ann says no more.

We were soooo fortunate this great businessman wanted to take on this mess. Too bad the idiot public school educated morons thought he might make help them get a job. That's the ONLY reason he lost. Over half of America now loser grifters. Too bad there is no more money left. Have you seen the rioting in Greece? That's where you're headed people, if you're not too fat to leave the house. Hint: Rioting doesn't make you rich either.

Wrong again, Leah. A lot of the new healthcare law is in effect. You probably don't realize it because no one has cried foul on the mandates actually put in place (vs. those imaginary ones thought would be put in place).

So, you really don't care about the people who can't afford insurance. Do you believe that people should just be allowed to die out because they can't afford to go to the doctor? If I had a job and I had good insurance, I would not mind paying a little more so that less-fortunate people could get affordable coverage. That's what this country should be - people helping people instead of kicking them when they are down. The healthcare plan will be pitting selfish against non-selfish people.

Actually, Leah, most provisions of ObamaCare ARE in effect. The big provisions that kick in in 2014 are the insurance exchanges, the ability to purchase coverage without having to be concerned about being denied because of pre-existing conditions, and the health insurance mandate (mathematically, more insureds means lower premiums for everybody, relative to the premiums that we would otherwise have had to pay).

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/timeline/index.html

There are two democratic Doctor's in DeKalb county. Or at least they told me they were the only two. Medicare insurance will double in 2014 if Obamacare is put in effect. So if I need a knee replacement after 2014, my doctor will tell me that I will be put on a list and I should be able to have the operation in approximately 2 years. Okay I guess Papa will be pushed over the clift.

Thanks for the link, C.J. I would like for everybody who opposes the bill to look at that timeline and tell me what is bad about it. The thing my brother has a problem with is, in 2014, everybody will be required to get insurance. Now, "everybody" is not right. If you can't afford it or your religion prohibits it, you will not be required. Not to mention, small businesses are getting nice tax breaks if they provide insurance to their employees. And small companies can "shop" at the exchanges which will be in place next year. So I would like for the people who oppose the plan to explain exactly why you don't like it.

Social issues are for the ignorant. Let's all yell "it's Bush's fault" as we go over the financial cliff together!

I sure did. The Blame -- when do you think there will ever be a balance? The country is strongly divided as shown by the way the American people voted. It doesn't matter who won, the media ensured that the American people lost.

The MAJORITY should grab their shorts. They're about to get screwed.

@MDG - EXACTLY!!!!

This is the part where the disciples of faux news get lost - they think that by fixing one branch, they have cured the problem - the problem is as much to blame with congress as it is with Obama.
But yet congress holds the real power, has the lowest approval rating yet gets a pass??? The sitting 112th congress was the worst congress in the history of our Country!!!

Al Sharpton never!

Anti-reality.

If nothing else, I hope that gullible Republican voters who believed the lie that polls were somehow skewed will stop being, well, so gullible.

The polls were not skewed, climate science is not a hoax, ObamaCare does not increase deficits, tax cuts for the wealthy and more defense spending do not reduce deficits, President Obama was not born in Kenya, health insurance mandates are not unconstitutional,...

I continue to be amazed that so many can be so cocky while simultaneously being so wrong.

Polls are skewed by pollsters. I speak from the experience of working for corporate Gallup for a brief time in my career. We could sdetermine the outcome we wanted just by wording of the question. It's a science.

Climate science, as preached by Al Gore is a hoax. However, there are things occurring to the climate that are caused by pollution. But there is NOTHING that we as Americans can do to make any change. Visit Asia and look at the pollution belching from their factories and cars. There is no offset we could fathom that would help.
Tax cuts for the wealthy and more defense spending would need to be offset with cuts elsewhere to reduce deficits. However, increased taxes on the wealthy without defense spending would still not reduce deficits. Spending is out of control in all aspects of government.
Obama was not born in Kenya. BUt that didn't keep him from studying and embracing socialism in America.
Health insurance mandates, when in the form of taxes are not unconstitutional. There is nothing in the constitution to prevent 100% tax rates.

I'm not cocky but I am right.

RE: "Obamacare has already caused my health care costs to rise."

Actually, nationwide health insurance premium increases have averaged 4 percent this year, partially because ObamaCare required insurers to refund premiums that weren't spent on, you know, health care. That's pretty darn low compared to the increases that we enjoyed during the Bush years.

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/costs/value-for-premium/index.html

Apparently, you have not been paying close attention to premium costs over the last couple of decades.
To wit, from 1993-2000 premiums were fairly flat (thanks to the efforts from the Clinton's and realization in the healthcare industry that excessive greed might bring unwanted scrutiny).
Beginning in 2001, our company was subjected to consistent annual increases of at least 300% of inflation.
'Obamacare' was not to blame, inaction by the shrub administration was.
For the last 4 years, my premium increases have been closer to the previous 12 month's inflation.
Now if we only had Centralized Single Payer!

Exactly, as Condi Rice said, "why should your zip code determine the quality of your children's education?"

Of course, for many to realize the simple facts of how things are done in other countries would require a little international travel.
Wake up and realize the WORLD is not the place you hear about on am radio.

Do you mean the Akin who said women's bodies could prevent pregnancy in "ligitimate rape?" Surely you don't mean Todd Akin?

Rev. Wright/Jessie Jackson JR. Never!

Got it! Relieved, was a bit worried about you. :)

Dude, play another card!!!

Nicely put. Here's another way of saying it:
“I sometimes wonder if the Republican Party has become the receding roar of white America as it pines for a way of life that will never return.” --David Brooks

Exactly!

Your "great nation" chose freebies over freedom. Sad.

Caveman?
And what did you think of the shrub years?

Caveman? That's putting it mildly, LOL,

He's mentioning all the taxpayers that still have a job!

One of those posts had the gaul to mention John Lewis. BARF bag, stat!

If we all joined you, who would be supporting you?

There's a binder full of women going to the U.S. Senate!

The state of NH has a female gov., female senators and representatives. That will be a state govt. to watch with interest.

Why are you so jealous of white men???

Good luck with the food stamps and the disability. I have been unemployed for nearly three years, and as long as you live with somebody who brings in money (regardless of who it is), you will not be approved for food stamps. And I think you are talking about the wrong person when referring to no Medicare or social security. It's the Republicans that want to do away with those two things. But I have found out one thing today, with all of my conservative friends, you people cannot be reasoned with today. You lost and you are not happy. I understand. I felt the same way when Bush was re-elected. But, for once, you guys are outnumbered here. Rex hasn't even made an appearance.

And, of course, that's all Obama's fault.

He wasn't sure if he should sign it because it might cause thousands of new lawsuits. But of course it would take common sense to know that adding more vague regulations HURTS business which also HURTS women's ability to get good jobs. It's not as simple as him not signing something as if he hates women. You are TOO gullible and easily manipulated by your puppet masters.

Edi, you are a hoot. Did you see him trying to explain why he didn't sign it? Like a deer caught in headlights. And do you think that women should just accept that they will make less than men? That they should not fight it. I had a job with a company several years ago and they hired this guy to do the exact same thing I was doing. I had been there for four years at that point. A year later, I find out that he is making $10,000 more a year than I am. I asked my supervisor why that was, and he told me that it was because he was a man, with a family to support. I'm not sure if you are a man or woman, but that should not be allowed. There should be more lawsuits if it will fix the problem. And you need to get over that puppet master thing. That and the kool-aid references you guys are fond of are getting old and are not very funny or interesting.

I don't disagree that equally qualified women should be paid the same as men. My questions is why would Romney need to sign this bill? What government position did he hold in 2009 that would require his signature? It sounds like you are being mislead or are attempting to mislead people. Romney lost, no reason to continue beating him down.

Sorry, I should have said that he said he would not have signed the bill if he was president in 2009. He never could be pinned down on how he really felt about it. I'm sorry if I didn't want a man who apparently didn't think in equality in the White House. I just saw yesterday that 60% of single women voted for Obama. That's how scared we were of Romney. As as long as you and Edi are commenting about how bad Obama is, we are still going to defend him and explain why Romney did not win.

Funny how women said Obama supports equal pay, yet he's been in office 4 years & women are no closer to equal pay. Bless your heart!

I can get behind that one!

Really Pam? You would support Representative Joe Walsh from the 8th district of Illinois? His views are just a tad bit right of where I would expect you to be.

Mr. B, I thought he was talking about the singer, Joe Walsh of the James Gang. Isley, can you clarify?

Rich Pelligrino NEVER!

Isley Adams NEVER!

No, America won. The holier-than-thou Republicans lost.

How's the job hunt coming along, Pam?

It's kind of sad that it's come to the point where I can't tell if a person is asking out of concern or is just waiting for a chance to be mean. But on the slim chance you do care, the job search is going swimmingly well. I apply, they don't call. But I'm still optimistic. I may be the person that seats you at Cracker Barrel soon.

The moocher class won and the producers lost.

Um, you apparently did not see the comments from your side on the stories before the election. I've never seen so much hatred from your side towards ANYBODY that dared have a different opinion. The moderators had to scold several of them. They have just disappeared.

A very happy and relieved Obama supporter - however - I was afraid to put an Obama sign in my front yard because Republicans are so disrespectful of free speech that I was afraid someone would shoot me.

Kind of like how my car was keyed in 2000 because of my Bush bumper sticker? It goes both ways.

They were banned but I can't say why or I will be banned too.

Yes. Corporate Patch shares your view.

So much for freedom of speech!

Maybe you haven't been watching FOX as I don't see these as their talking points. However, the left wing media neglected to tell people anything negative about their master, and hence you voted in a liar and crook. Typical Chicago politician, tho pretty typical for Atlanta too. People honestly believe they can get something for nothing because they are in denial about reality.

The real rich, who btw, got that way because they are smart and hard working, not gullible and naive, are now looking for new opportunities, in other countries, with higher standards of living, better education and better health care. I feel sorry for those left behind. Especially the ones who think they will have MORE freedom.

Mitt Romney would have been a great leader, instead of a whining wimp still blaming the last president. Is Clinton blaming Reagan for the great economy he got handed on a silver platter? Reagan got handed a trashed economy thanks to peanut farmer Carter, did he complain or get to work? Four more years of debt, four more years where business will hire as few as possible, or close shop, where health care will be trashed and hard to get, where the poor will stay poor instead of having opportunity. I wouldn't be so proud of yourselves. I was able to overlook the Repub social bs in order to have prosperity. You were tricked by O to focus on the other guy while he was stealing you blind and lying to your face.

Edi - smart and hard working?? Sure some, but not all.. How about those taking advantage of loopholes and back doors they got installed by lobbying the government and greasing pockets and politician? Oh that is "smart business" - sorry, forgot ethics doesn't count...

A smart crook is still a crook.. Gaming the system to your advantage to become rich is no different than living on welfare without working because you'd only make as much as you can flipping burgers..

Shripathi, you are correct. Let's not forget that Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000.

I'm pretty sure this argument, and arguments like it is what didn't get your guy elected. Keep sticking to those arguments, Democrats and Liberals are happy to see them.....

There is nothing progressive about generations of moochers!

Btw....Republicans trying to swiftboat President Obama with the Benghazi stuff is OVER.....it was a lame argument to begin with, now that the election has concluded it's an ever worse argument. Finally the only class warfare I see is by Republicans who are paying lower taxes that those in the middle class, with their ridiculous deductions ...Carried Interest, Oil & Gas favortism, Ridiculously low Capital Gains rates. Give me a break on the the class warfare. I work just as hard if not harder than anyone in the top 1% why should I be punished for it.

I'm a Republican in the middle class. How do I get these lower tax rates? Is there a box to check or a line item on the 1040 form?

Amen. Git R Done!

Many people could say similar things about the Democrats and the talking heads on MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.

I am personally offended by your choice of language even if you only used initials. Many of us, regardless of political affiliation find this type of language unacceptable. I suspect you will attack me on this issue for being out of touch. Unfortunately, I would expect nothing b ut a personal attack for merely asking for civility.

My 401k is up over 100% since Obama took office, not sure what crack you're smoking but it must be pretty damn good!

BStein, Please share your investment strategy with the rest of us so we might also participate. Don't keep all that wealth for yourself or you might be accused of being a one per center.

By no means a 1%er Mr. B, Just prudent and hard working, something Republicans won't give me any credit for. They think since I'm a Democrat that i'm constantly begging for a handout, and am only interested in hurting other people's businesses with regulation. Simply not true.

The last time I checked my 401k, it recovered from the free fall it had when Bush was in office...
The dow is also up some 6000-7000 points.
But OB only gets the blame for jobs, etc. God forbid he gets the credit for the good..
Stop with the faux news propaganda...

The Dow is influenced by institutional investors. Can't give the sitting president any credit for it going up than it going down.

I work hard too BS. Just haven't seen my 401K double like you claim. That's why I was asking for your investment strategy. It could be a matter of perspective. If you start with $2K and contribute, then getting to $4K is understandable. But if you start with $2MM, how do you get to $4MM during the Obama years?

I'm waiting for the idea of a one time tax of all 401k's to come back up. Its been floated a few times. Punish the people who are taking individual responsibility for their retirement, that's right out of the liberal playbook.

GET A JOB!

The 5 symptoms of laziness:
1.

Rex, I was going to ignore you, but what the heck. Your reply to my comment had nothing to do with my comment.

Are they right wing nuts for expecting you to get a JOB?

Oh, and since none of you commented about the country working together, I assume you don't want to do that. Or agree with it. You may have noticed that I agreed with John Boehner. I suggest you contact your Republican representatives and ask them to work with the President and maybe things will be good. But of course you don't want to do that, because you really, truly, want the President to fail.

Rex Smithers, I have had a job and own my own company, but work is slowed to the point I need another job, part or full time. I am NOT lazy. I have been working my entire life! I am at work today, but don't get enough hours thanks to the President. Don't tell me I am lazy. Been looking for another job for the past year.

Leah, I don't think he was responding to you. He was responding to me, his favorite person. You are safe.

It seems you haven't spent much time here before the elcection then Mr. B

Not really. It's just that us liberals felt like we had to hide our true feelings in the predominantly Republican South. But that has changed significantly with this election. Not only did Obama win Virginia, he almost won North Carolina. It seems to me that Georgia is the mostly likely of the Deep South states to turn blue, which should encourage Georgia Democrats to intensify their efforts in upcoming elections.

It's more than just a little slanted. Not to mention allowing certain people to make racist comments, while censoring conservative responses.

Sharon, I don't see anything but liberals talking trash about conservatives. Many are still beating on Romney. He lost, the election is over, yet they continue to berate him. (Must be a carry over from claiming it's Bush's fault.) Everytime I have tried to post a comment with a conservative view, it hasn't been allowed. No name calling (not even a reference to left wing nuts), just opposing views. So, do you stand a chance? No, I don't think so. Must be the liberal slant you claim doesn't exist.

Mr. B, go look at the comments on the story done on the last debate. We Democrats are angels compared to the Republicans on that comment thread. I'm serious.

I have seen these comments, Pam. Angel is not a word I would use to describe the originators of most of the comments from either point of view. (BTW, I have read many of your comments. Again, Angel is not a very descriptive word.)

Two of my comments were not printed, and I'm not sure why because they were no worse than what is on here. Oh well, life goes on. And Mr. B., you need to treat everybody like they are an angel, because, well, they may be.

Pam, why am I hearing the theme music from The Twilight Zone playing in the background?

The Twilight Zone? Ha! You may want to have your ears checked. And thanks for reading some of my comments.

I have no problem working with anyone as long as they are professional and courteous. I had a manager that was very unprofessional and he was let go. He wore a tongue piercing and was loudly talking to people about being a "swinger" and devil worshipper. I could not believe he was in management. He also was very rude on conference calls. The finally let him go. He interviewed one perspective employee and asked him how old his wife was and what she looked like, LOL! He was with the company for almost 2 years, unreal. I am a professional and like to be treated as such.

EPU,
You sum up very concisely why 'conserrrrrvatism' doesn't work.
The clock does not move backwards, and we won't be 'returning to the past' any time soon!

No problem. Employees that don't serve your customers shouldn't be kept around.

BTW, the world didn't demographically change. The attitudes toward acceptance/rejection changed around the people of the world. Doesn't make it right or wrong. I'll sell my product to anyone with money or approved credit. What they do on their own time doesn't matter to me as long as they pay what they owe me.

Accepted.

There was a time when that word was a dirty word, well beyond the limits of most people to use even in private conversations. Unfortunately, it has become the universal adjective.

LOL! We are in trouble. It's Kenya! Rich and poor, no middle class. That was Obama's plan from the start. Did you not read his book?

Leah, I read both of Obama's books, and that's one of the reasons I voted for him (twice). The first was a masterpiece, but the second seemed like a rushed political statement. However, I'm looking forward to his third, his presidential memoirs, which I'm expecting to rival those of Ulyssyes S. Grant.

Allison, I appreciate your perspective. You're not alone. Thanks for bringing some sanity to this discussion.

Allison,
Let's hope that Tuesday night's election of 'A New Liberal Majority' will set aside three decades of the politics of hate.

Jeff, were Grant's memoirs fiction? I haven't read them so truly don't know.

Swiftboating the President didn't work this time. She won't answer, none of the Fox believers will. Too painful. I think folks need some sugar with their sour grapes.

If Fox keeps that up, they're going to lose some viewers. ;)

Don't worry, Edi, some of my comments weren't printed and I didn't really say anything bad either. I think the Patch editors got very, very gun shy with the comments from the last debate comment thread. That was a free-for-all, 800+ comments thread before they shut it down. We can all have different opinions, but we should be civil about it. And I think that Americans are awake. That's why Obama got elected. The Republicans just need to adapt to modern times a little more. Most of the Republicans I know (and some are family members) don't like blacks or Hispanics, gambling, drinking or anything else "normal". Just loosen up a little and everything will be fine.

No, probably just because people like chicken. I just hope that you don't ever get to the point in your life where you are forced to get food stamps. It's like I've said before, the conservatives used the unemployment rate to hold against the President, but you really don't like the unemployed people.

Anna, has Patch considered shutting down the comments section for a couple of days? I'm being serious. I totally understand that posting comments to Patch is a privilege, not a right. Frankly, you folks at Patch are nicer than me. I find the vast majority of comments to be immature and not pertaining to the issues being addressed. Most of the folks who post comments are unable to address the issue at hand without using comments like "the liberals" or "the right wing nuts". I could say much more, but I'll stop here.

Nice little fantasy you got going there.

@ Edi - Liberals are gullible? How about right wingnuts who believed everything their talking heads told them??
Be real - we re not living in the olden days, so it's time to maybe dust off the party platform and modernize it - realize the country is not a bunch of old white guys, and that times have changed - EVOLVE a little...

Green energy needs to be an important part of our future, because face reality - there is only so much consumable energy source on the planet, and the fact big coal, auto, oil and energy recognize that, and realize it will cut into their monopoly - they will fight it tooth and nail - and have, with lobbyist help - what scares you about green energy? why is it bad?

And if you think the media hides the truth, you are very correct, but both sides do - don't think for one minute that there is any integrity out there - Faux news told it's base exactly what it wanted to hear, and that's why you are all shell shocked that your golden child didn't win... Same reason why the liberal media hid the fact there is actually 3rd party candidates running on moderate platforms that are viable alternatives to the established chosen ones..
America is going broke for the policies of the last 30+ years, so leave your contempt and bigoted hatred for Obama at home and take off your blinders and realize we screwed up our country starting back in the 70's!

Here's the fallacy to your argument... both parties are at fault as well as the president. You act like the democrats are angels and can do nothing wrong.

You're so right E Plu! Scary, and it almost worked. I have thought the very same thoughts, especially since the conventions. Why would anyone want to be with a political party that will practice such deceptions? I want a winner who does it the honest way. If the Democrats had won the WH with those Republican tactics, I would be ashamed, not proud. Strategy is how you get the votes, but without cheating - that's why the President was re-elected. He has A U T H E N T I C I T Y !

@N Ga Weather - But also recognize the fact the RP made it their stated mission to make sure he was a one term president - they couldn't find the time to complete their work, but made sure to vote to repeal obamacare 30+ times! They blocked and impeded any potential legislation to help up get out of the mess quickly, they filibustered a record number of times, and as a result, guess what - they were the lowest rated congress in the history of record keeping!! And they failed at their primary mission to boot!!

Both side played a game of chicken and we got caught in the middle - THAT is what put us in the mess we are in, not one man.

And you are absolutely correct - both parties are at fault, and why? Because lobbyist and special interest matters more than the will of the people...

The answer is obvious. The donors will simply raise the prices of their products and services to recoup their losses.
It has never been more important than now to carefully select the products and services you buy to ensure YOUR dollars are not used against YOU in the next election.

What Zachary A said . . . :D

The list you identify gives us a reason to pause and consider the damage that can be done by electing individuals to Congress with no sense of compromise, statesmanship or even leadership.
A willing loud mouth for every microphone does not a Congressperson make.

Eddie E, true that.

Bachmann 2016 %^$^&$*^

Single women.

Bush overspent in a war against terrorism. Obama is apologizing to the terrorist, destroying our nuclear weapons while our enemies are building theirs, devaluing our currency until we become equal to the 3rd world countries. That's a big difference to withstand for two terms.

My friend's grandson was in Iraq in the beginning of the "war". I woke up every morning wondering if his name was going to be on the list of soldiers who were killed. I had to deal with my friend's angst every day. Trust me, loss of life does not equal money problems. This country will survive and will remain the best place to live. But as long as people like you keep up the hate talk, we're never going to succeed.

A fictional character from a third rate novel written by a traitor to her own revolution.

Ayn Rand is something people read in high school to learn not to behave in a civilized society. If you take it to heart it shows just what type of person you are.

Ahh Ayn Rand....Who ironically ended up as a welfare recipient herself in her final days..

A pathologically mentally ill women's uber man. Why mentally ill? She worshipped William Edward Hickman a serial killer and modeled her character Danny Renahan on him. Now that's a sick mind.

Oh. All that sounds pretty bad. Will America, with Obama as president, avoid the sort of things Ayn Rand wrote in the book?

I want things to work. I don't anyone to fail. I would just like for someone, ANYONE to explain what Obama has done, is doing or will do to Bring America back as the great nation it once was. He says that he will. That may just be my opinion but I do feel that America was once a great nation.

Anyone?

Americans are shell shocked because they bought the story they have been fed - Faux news is nothing but a propaganda arm for the republican party - no different than CNBC is the propaganda arm for the democratic party.
I am quite enlightened here on the patch, listening to the debate as much as listening to strangers on the street spout talking points from their selected commentator about what is wrong with the country...I've had many a conversation with educated people on both sides who I respect their opinions and have valid arguments - not the "he sucks" guys you tend to see reciting Rush's last broadcast..
It's funny, how the extreme case minority of something ends up representing the entirety, like welfare, like religion, like the republican party..
The exit polls show it - more than 1/2 of the people in this country can care less if gays marry, pot is legal, etc. yet the RP gets hijacked by the religious right, alienating moderate or liberal leaning republicans.

E Plu, you're one smart person (guy/gal? - doesn't matter)! You're posts bring rare reason into these threads, and I appreciate them.

Sorry, we all live off the government.

Consult Speaker boehner about your job.
Since he hasn't done anything about jobs in the last two years, I'm sure he must have at least been thinking about it.

Truest statement yet...

I also love how moving government jobs over to the private sector is considered "job growth"...

Dracula? :D @Dude - I thought Leah was on your team ;)

Lee, this woman is not typical of all Obama supporters. Get a grip. There has been government aid for a very long time, not just during the Obama reign. But of course the Republicans don't remember that. They are so focused on destroying Obama that they have lost all reason. Welfare and food stamps have been around for decades, not just the last four years. Want me to repeat that?

Pam... welfare is up almost 20% under Obama. Want me to repeat that?

There are more people who are unemployed, therefore more people on welfare. Whether that is Obama's fault or not, the conservatives love talking about the unemployment rate. I honestly believe the 20% increase includes "normal" people who worked hard and lost their jobs. I would be on welfare except that I don't have any kids and I have family members to take care of me. I'm just tired of everybody thinking that all Obama supporters are black women on welfare. And believe it or not, all of the people in this country are not smart, don't have the right brain cells, people that are incapable of doing anything great. There are "simple" people of all races, genders, and nationalities. To focus only on the Democrats is just wrong. And to keep showing videos of black women is just downright racist.

Wow Pam! Claim all Democrats aren't alike in the same paragraph as lumping all Republicans together. Double standard possibly?

"Simple" people? Is racist worse than bigoted?

Well, I guess I am guilty of that. Sorry. But every story I look at, every comment board I look at, on AOL, HP, Patch, CNN, FoxNews, etc., the Republicans are posting videos of black women talking about their free stuff. Enough is enough.

You won't see those videos on Patch. Things like that from conservatives would be pre-moderated.

She is not typical of an Obama supporter; Alaska, Virginia and New Jersey are all governed by Republicans and rank in the top 10 of states who pay the highest benefits to welfare recipients,

Welfare Demographics;
Percent of recipients who are white = 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black = 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic = 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian = 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other = 3.3 %

This is the new world order under O & friends. Enjoy!

Number of U.S. States where Welfare pays more than the average salary of a U.S. Teacher - 9

Average Time on AFCD (Aid to Families with Dependent Children)
Time on AFDC
2 -5 years - 26.9%
>5 years - 19.6%

Total annual cost of food stamp program $71,800,000,000
Number of Americans using the food stamp program 46,670,373
Percent of population on food stamp program 14 %

Year Population of FS Cost/Person
2011 44,709,000 $133.85
2000 17,194,000 $76.62

Okay, everybody, we know there are more people on welfare. We know the unemployment rate is partly to blame for that. You can spin it anyway you want, but it's all connected. Our President isn't the problem, the way people are reacting to him is the problem. As long as you continue to hate, you will continue to hurt the country.

Good suggestion BS. I shorted all my military supplier stocks on Tuesday. Very profitable guess.

Take the blinders off dude. You're too Forward focused.

Classic liberal wealth envy, the rich only got rich because they "manipulate the market" or inheritance, or getting lucky. Never by hard work and intelligence.

Geez... where do you come up with this BS?

Phil,
Yes and yes. It's not that Obamacare has or has not kicked in yet. It's that people are preparing for it. Employers can't hire, they fire. Insurance costs go up on average 10-15% a year! I know. I have my own business.

Phil...you call those layoffs "retaliation" because the President was re-elected. It has nothing to do economically. Simple as that. Oh, I'd wager a bagel the folks getting laid off are minorities and women.

Leah, how many employees do you have? If you have less than 50, you are not required to provide insurance. If you do, great, but you don't have to.

Read the article Pam. These are huge companies, laying off 4000, 500, 80 employees. Certainly your comment about less than 50 employees doesn't fit.

The company I work for has four less employees today. The four that openly celebrated voting for Obama. (And three are white.)

Boeing laying off hundreds, GA State laying off 110 & it keeps going. Obamaphones for everyone!

Mr. B, I was reponding to Leah, not Phil or you.

Zach,
I believe you may be a monster (your word, not mine) after all. To accuse Washington lawmakers of sitting around drumlin up ideas of how to control reproductive rights, deny cancer screening, regulate pay based on sex, suppress votes....that is monstrous and left wing propaganda.

Mr. B

Is this left wing propaganda?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joxny3rco_4
or this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY1SEq2o9LY
Another;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nypMSXKgtaA

You don't see the irony in this - there is a proposed pipeline that runs through some of the most beautiful scenery in the country, precious green space.
The noise and pollution would be detrimental to anyone nearby. The pipeline would not directly affect us in the slightest, other than allow some temporary construction jobs, yet this is perfectly ok with you?. I never understand the hypocrisy of the RP - on one hand, if it is in your back yard you are all about saving the green, but elsewhere you can care less..

The unemployed pay for their own insurance. If you are laid off, you can go through the COBRA program. The rates are a little lower and if you have the money, you can pay it. I was, but I paid one day late and they cancelled. Appealed and they still didn't approve me. If you want to blame anybody for the insurance problems, blame the insurance companies. They are in business to make money. If a company won't hire because of the health care plan, they are being unreasonable. If you have a big company, it won't make much difference to your bottom line. If you have a small company (50 employees or less), you won't even be required to provide insurance. I'm assuming that most people who are against the plan and who are commenting on here during the day and have their own companies have fewer than 50 employees. People are seeing a big scary monster where there isn't one. If your insurance rates have gone up a lot, complain to the insurance company. Fight them. The last company I worked for did not charge us anything for our insurance for the first four years I worked there. In the fifth year, the deductibles went up, the six year, the deductibles went up and we had money taken out of our paychecks for premiums. That was during the Bush reign. So insurance rates are not just now going up. They have been for a long time. I don't expect any of you to understand that, though.

Also, who pays for the medical care for all the poor guys and gals that got maimed in Iraq? The military branches, which are all part of the government. I think everybody just doesn't think about that. There are bookoo bucks being spent to help those brave men and women who fought that war that should not have happened.

COBRA is not less expensive than insurance on the open market. It only last for 18 months max. If you don't pay your premiums on time, then you should expect it to be cancelled. Our service men and women are covered through the VA. They earned that by defending our country and your right to stay home and on the internet all day speaking freely. All companies, insurance or otherwise are in business to make a profit. Specifically to grow faster than the rate of inflation.

Mr. B, so instead of addressing the important parts of my comment, about how insurance rates have been going up for years, you focused in the fact that I paid my premium one day late. When I was paying for the COBRA, it was $175 a month, for great coverage. As soon as it was canceled I started looking for another policy. The cheapest I could find, with nowhere near the coverage I had, was $350 a month. So, yes, COBRA was cheaper.

COBRA is much more expensive that ins. thru your job. & it is only temp.

Lissa, yes, COBRA is more expensive than insurance you have while you are employed. COBRA is for when you lose your job. A friend of mine just started COBRA, and she is going to pay $185 a month for the same coverage she had while employed. She paid about $100 a month from her paycheck while she was employed. She did look at other companies (Blue Cross, Kaiser, Aetna, etc.), but the cheapest rate she could find for comparable services was $500 a month. COBRA just lasts for 18 months, but that's a long time, relatively speaking.

which won't affect them until 2014... or so we are told...
And only affects them if they have more than 50 full time employees..
And only affects them if they currently do not provide benefits which include healthcare
And only affects them if they chose not to provide benefits..

Businesses can still deduct the cost of health insurance provided to employees.
Therefore, businesses that refuse to include health insurance as part of compensation need to the businesses that need to close.

Deductions Eddie? Let me explain deductions to you...You give me $1000 and next April 15, I'll give you $400 back. Sound fair? Sounds realistic.

Mr. B,
At least it is deductible for the EMPLOYER, providing an incentive to ensure employees are healthy and able to focus on their task at hand.
Of course I realize some employers view their employees as 'equipment' and do not value any contribution to public health.

Interesting statistics. There are people in this country who are really not smart enough to work. No training in the world can help those people. It does not keep them from having sex and babies, but working is nearly impossible. Is it right that the government should have to take care of "stupid" people and the kids they produce? Probably not and something really should be done about the issue. Now, with so many people being out of work, there will be more people getting public assistance. It really is not easy to get any if you are a single, white woman, but apparently it is easy for other people. Now, until the job market really improves and a bunch of people go back to work, those people will be getting assistance. If I didn't have family members to help me and I could have qualified for food stamps, I would have used them without any hesitation. I did not choose to be unemployed for this long, and as long as companies choose to discriminate against the unemployed and people whose credit has been screwed up because of said unemployment, more people will be on government assistance. The Republicans used the unemployment rate against the President. But nobody seems to have any idea about how to fix the problem. And, no, I don't think that Romney could have done anything to make the situation better.

There are more millionaires under Obama than Bush.

What else would you expect from a Euro-socialist, anti-capitalist? How's that working out for Europe financially?

It's much easier to blame the system for your lot in life than to look yourself in the mirror. You can turn to the democrats to help you make things "fair."

@lissa
What does that have to do with you? I could care less about how many millionaires there are, I'm too busy working hard for my family's future.

What's your point? That some people work harder or are more qualified than others so are paid more?

Mr. B,
I guess it also helps if one has the authority to game the system, set the prices and control the distribution while keeping the profits in house doesn't it.

Time for a renewal of a real progressive income tax!

Troops work hard.
Troops are more qualified than others.
Troops are paid less than most.

Its true about many occupations. If everyone were CEOs, you'd have no CFOs.......or VPs.....or Analysts.....or maids....

Sounds as though the world should be unionized so you get your share.

Here is the reality...if you don't think you're being compensated fairly, go work somewhere else. Someone has to be capable of running the company. That person (or persons) should be compensated more than the guy sweeping the floor because it takes more skill. The floor sweeper can't be compensated equally as the CEO; otherwise we would all be floor sweepers. We would have very clean plants but no sales or production.

What I am trying to get you to understand is Forward is not the only way out. You describe some of the extreme cases but most of us are not that way. Remember yesterday when I asked you for civility? That's all I hope for...civility. Rushing Forward into uncivilized distortion is as bad as the "code" you describe.

And WHO believes that Jesus was walking with dinosaurs 2k years ago??? Wow... you can REALLY make up some sh^%!

NGW,
Apparently you don't interact with many religious nuts.

The part Oreilly said about America being now a majority that wants stuff from the government was dead on.

Byron,
Could you please explain these numbers. I am interested in what you are talking about.

the top 2 numbers are federal budget numbers for 2010.
56% of the primary demographic receiving these entitlements voted R.

"I don't believe Romney would have been good for anyone's economy"
So does that mean you think Obama is good for anyone's economy? If so, I would sure love to hear all about it. Living Obama's economy has me believing that you people are delusional.

Tina, there are lots of resources which back this up. You merely have to click on the credible ones.

Go feed your cat!

My hubby feeds the cat. But I do give him his special treats, like a good Democrat, making life a bit better :)

Very well said.

You want to fix things, C.M? It's easy. Buy American. That stops outsourcing 100%. Dead in its tracks. Creates jobs, brings in tax dollars, makes America strong and profitable. Stay away from Wal-Mart, Toyota, etc. May cost a little more but it creates American jobs which makes America stronger.

I could argue the other points in your soap box drama but it would be a waste of time. But we both agree that things can be fixed. Until everyone starts being part of the solution, then there will be no fix.

You're welcome, C.M. If the Rs don't see the light and learn from this election, they have no one to blame but themselves when they become the 3rd Party. Rage, denial, grief - rinse and repeat. What kind of person doesn't recognize need and want to help?

There are very few things actually MADE here anymore due in part to over stepping regulations care of the EPA. YES we need clean water and air but it won't be as enjoyable if we are back living in the caves...

But we can be good stewards of the land for its new owners, whoever they will be.

Why, Mr. B, I'm a little bit proud of you. Buy American!

They had many more african-american votes before there was a non-white president. When 93% of blacks vote Obama, it's a racial vote.

Absolutely!!! I'm sure that's the game plan. Condolezza is token enough for the African American group.

Hilarious, as that was exactly Obama's campaign goal: DIVIDE and conquer. Look at who voted for whom. It was all about race & freebies instead of what's best for the country as a whole.